1 00:00:05,090 --> 00:00:01,850 there are plenty of recurring themes in 2 00:00:07,369 --> 00:00:05,100 UFO literature lore and discourse one of 3 00:00:10,310 --> 00:00:07,379 those themes that remains constant is 4 00:00:12,470 --> 00:00:10,320 this idea of Gatekeepers individuals in 5 00:00:14,390 --> 00:00:12,480 the shadows of government or those who 6 00:00:17,090 --> 00:00:14,400 have gained the favor of such secretive 7 00:00:19,070 --> 00:00:17,100 government agents who possess all the 8 00:00:20,750 --> 00:00:19,080 hidden secrets about UFOs 9 00:00:31,609 --> 00:00:20,760 let's spend a little time looking closer 10 00:00:31,619 --> 00:00:40,430 UFO 11 00:00:49,470 --> 00:00:43,690 so searching foreign 12 00:01:11,690 --> 00:00:56,050 [Music] 13 00:01:18,469 --> 00:01:15,190 hello citizens and welcome to UFO UAP 14 00:01:19,789 --> 00:01:18,479 WTF I'm your host Jason MccLellan and 15 00:01:21,890 --> 00:01:19,799 together we'll be exploring the 16 00:01:24,350 --> 00:01:21,900 fascinating enigmatic and frustrating 17 00:01:26,450 --> 00:01:24,360 subject of UFOs 18 00:01:28,010 --> 00:01:26,460 one of my stated goals with this show is 19 00:01:31,010 --> 00:01:28,020 helping others Wade through the murky 20 00:01:33,469 --> 00:01:31,020 Waters of UFO research and uncomplicate 21 00:01:35,030 --> 00:01:33,479 things that are routinely presented in a 22 00:01:37,010 --> 00:01:35,040 way that is intentionally and 23 00:01:39,289 --> 00:01:37,020 unnecessarily complicated 24 00:01:40,730 --> 00:01:39,299 our topic of conversation today is one 25 00:01:42,289 --> 00:01:40,740 of those things that has always been 26 00:01:45,730 --> 00:01:42,299 present in the UFO research community 27 00:01:47,990 --> 00:01:45,740 and that is this idea of UFO Gatekeepers 28 00:01:50,270 --> 00:01:48,000 individuals or groups who allegedly 29 00:01:52,069 --> 00:01:50,280 possess secret UFO knowledge 30 00:01:58,850 --> 00:01:52,079 we're barely going to scratch the 31 00:02:05,149 --> 00:02:01,010 I guess we'll begin this discussion with 32 00:02:06,830 --> 00:02:05,159 the government big bad government the 33 00:02:09,529 --> 00:02:06,840 government has been established as the 34 00:02:12,229 --> 00:02:09,539 bad guys in UFO lore that idea really 35 00:02:14,690 --> 00:02:12,239 began with the 1947 Roswell UFO incident 36 00:02:16,190 --> 00:02:14,700 which is essentially the birth of the 37 00:02:18,949 --> 00:02:16,200 notion that the government covers up 38 00:02:20,530 --> 00:02:18,959 information related to UFOs we're not 39 00:02:22,910 --> 00:02:20,540 getting into the Roswell incident today 40 00:02:25,670 --> 00:02:22,920 we've covered that plenty on previous 41 00:02:28,250 --> 00:02:25,680 episodes and it'll no doubt emerge again 42 00:02:31,010 --> 00:02:28,260 in the future but for our purposes today 43 00:02:32,990 --> 00:02:31,020 just know that the legendary Roswell UFO 44 00:02:35,210 --> 00:02:33,000 incident is at the heart of major 45 00:02:38,150 --> 00:02:35,220 gatekeeper conspiracies 46 00:02:41,570 --> 00:02:38,160 you might have heard of mj12 that has 47 00:02:44,210 --> 00:02:41,580 Roswell Roots mj-12 sometimes referred 48 00:02:46,130 --> 00:02:44,220 to as Majestic 12 is an alleged group 49 00:02:48,890 --> 00:02:46,140 assembled by President Harry Truman in 50 00:02:51,589 --> 00:02:48,900 1947 to investigate and manage the 51 00:02:53,150 --> 00:02:51,599 aftermath of the Roswell UFO incident 52 00:02:55,610 --> 00:02:53,160 the story really begins with Paul 53 00:02:57,890 --> 00:02:55,620 benowitz scientist and government 54 00:03:00,110 --> 00:02:57,900 contractor who had contracts with the 55 00:03:01,809 --> 00:03:00,120 Air Force he lived and worked near 56 00:03:04,910 --> 00:03:01,819 Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico 57 00:03:07,250 --> 00:03:04,920 and in 1980 he reached out to the base 58 00:03:09,410 --> 00:03:07,260 to inform the air force that he had 59 00:03:11,809 --> 00:03:09,420 evidence of a threat to the base 60 00:03:13,790 --> 00:03:11,819 benowitz claimed he had photos showing 61 00:03:15,670 --> 00:03:13,800 UFOs over the base's weapons storage 62 00:03:17,750 --> 00:03:15,680 area and other things like 63 00:03:19,850 --> 00:03:17,760 electromagnetism being emitted in the 64 00:03:22,850 --> 00:03:19,860 area which he assumed was being 65 00:03:24,770 --> 00:03:22,860 generated by Pulses from UFOs 66 00:03:26,750 --> 00:03:24,780 the base took claims of a threat to the 67 00:03:28,449 --> 00:03:26,760 base seriously and they had 68 00:03:30,530 --> 00:03:28,459 investigators meet with benowitz 69 00:03:32,570 --> 00:03:30,540 benowitz eventually met with several 70 00:03:34,610 --> 00:03:32,580 officers from the base but after hearing 71 00:03:36,710 --> 00:03:34,620 benewood say he was in contact with the 72 00:03:38,630 --> 00:03:36,720 extraterrestrials piloting the UFOs over 73 00:03:40,250 --> 00:03:38,640 the base he pretty much lost their 74 00:03:42,350 --> 00:03:40,260 attention and interest 75 00:03:44,509 --> 00:03:42,360 one of the individuals who initially met 76 00:03:45,890 --> 00:03:44,519 with benowitz was a special agent from 77 00:03:49,250 --> 00:03:45,900 the Air Force office of a special 78 00:03:50,750 --> 00:03:49,260 investigations Richard Doty we've heard 79 00:03:53,210 --> 00:03:50,760 from Dodie countless times over the 80 00:03:54,530 --> 00:03:53,220 years and in interviews he's claimed 81 00:03:56,690 --> 00:03:54,540 that he was part of an elaborate 82 00:03:58,850 --> 00:03:56,700 disinformation campaign against benowitz 83 00:03:59,809 --> 00:03:58,860 and the entire UFO Community for that 84 00:04:01,970 --> 00:03:59,819 matter 85 00:04:03,350 --> 00:04:01,980 according to Dodie what benowitz was 86 00:04:06,470 --> 00:04:03,360 observing over the base were secret 87 00:04:09,110 --> 00:04:06,480 projects but in order to hide that fact 88 00:04:11,390 --> 00:04:09,120 Dodie perpetuated benowitz's belief that 89 00:04:13,130 --> 00:04:11,400 he was seeing extraterrestrials 90 00:04:16,129 --> 00:04:13,140 goti even created fake government 91 00:04:18,650 --> 00:04:16,139 documents to perpetuate this hoax and he 92 00:04:21,229 --> 00:04:18,660 used people inside the UFO Community to 93 00:04:22,969 --> 00:04:21,239 spread the fake information including a 94 00:04:24,770 --> 00:04:22,979 prominent figure in UFO research at the 95 00:04:26,629 --> 00:04:24,780 time Bill Moore 96 00:04:28,790 --> 00:04:26,639 Moore believed he was recruited by a 97 00:04:31,129 --> 00:04:28,800 high-level intelligence agent to work 98 00:04:32,870 --> 00:04:31,139 with Dodie the first document that Moore 99 00:04:36,710 --> 00:04:32,880 said he was given to provide to benowitz 100 00:04:38,749 --> 00:04:36,720 was the Aquarius memo in 1981. 101 00:04:40,310 --> 00:04:38,759 this document creates a narrative that 102 00:04:42,350 --> 00:04:40,320 the Air Force secretly investigated 103 00:04:44,570 --> 00:04:42,360 benowitz's photos and other evidence 104 00:04:46,730 --> 00:04:44,580 that this was all part of some top 105 00:04:50,930 --> 00:04:46,740 secret operation called project Aquarius 106 00:04:54,050 --> 00:04:50,940 and that access was restricted to mj-12 107 00:04:56,930 --> 00:04:54,060 this is the first mention of mj-12 and 108 00:04:59,150 --> 00:04:56,940 keep in mind this first mention is in a 109 00:05:01,969 --> 00:04:59,160 document that both Dodie and more have 110 00:05:03,890 --> 00:05:01,979 admitted was a fabricated document 111 00:05:06,230 --> 00:05:03,900 that certainly hasn't prevented mj-12 112 00:05:08,510 --> 00:05:06,240 from being cemented as part of UFO lore 113 00:05:12,530 --> 00:05:08,520 and being viewed as a poster child of 114 00:05:15,230 --> 00:05:12,540 sorts among alleged UFO Gatekeepers 115 00:05:18,350 --> 00:05:15,240 plenty of people believe mj-12 or an 116 00:05:20,210 --> 00:05:18,360 mj-12 type group is real they are in the 117 00:05:22,610 --> 00:05:20,220 shadows of government pulling the 118 00:05:24,469 --> 00:05:22,620 strings controlling the information and 119 00:05:26,210 --> 00:05:24,479 covering up UFOs 120 00:05:27,950 --> 00:05:26,220 and that's perfectly fine 121 00:05:29,930 --> 00:05:27,960 we all choose what information to 122 00:05:31,670 --> 00:05:29,940 believe and assimilate into our current 123 00:05:33,469 --> 00:05:31,680 understanding and viewpoints related to 124 00:05:35,629 --> 00:05:33,479 this weird topic 125 00:05:36,950 --> 00:05:35,639 but I'm not among those Believers I've 126 00:05:38,810 --> 00:05:36,960 never seen anything in all my years 127 00:05:40,490 --> 00:05:38,820 researching this topic that leads me to 128 00:05:42,650 --> 00:05:40,500 believe it was anything other than a 129 00:05:45,830 --> 00:05:42,660 hoax to fuel conspiracies make people 130 00:05:48,890 --> 00:05:45,840 look silly and discredit UFO research 131 00:05:50,990 --> 00:05:48,900 now there might be just a tiny bit of 132 00:05:52,730 --> 00:05:51,000 truth behind an elite group of top 133 00:05:55,790 --> 00:05:52,740 government officials created by the 134 00:05:59,570 --> 00:05:55,800 president following the Roswell incident 135 00:06:02,029 --> 00:05:59,580 we know for a fact that in July of 1947 136 00:06:04,730 --> 00:06:02,039 the same year and month as the Roswell 137 00:06:07,730 --> 00:06:04,740 UFO incident that President Harry Truman 138 00:06:09,350 --> 00:06:07,740 did indeed create a special counsel 139 00:06:12,170 --> 00:06:09,360 this was the birth of the National 140 00:06:14,749 --> 00:06:12,180 Security Council created as part of the 141 00:06:16,790 --> 00:06:14,759 National Security Act of 1947. 142 00:06:19,070 --> 00:06:16,800 this act also created the National 143 00:06:20,870 --> 00:06:19,080 military establishment and the Central 144 00:06:23,270 --> 00:06:20,880 Intelligence Agency 145 00:06:24,890 --> 00:06:23,280 so as you can see there was a lot of 146 00:06:27,890 --> 00:06:24,900 change taking place on the heels of 147 00:06:30,170 --> 00:06:27,900 World War II and in 1947 the National 148 00:06:32,990 --> 00:06:30,180 Security Act brought about many changes 149 00:06:35,090 --> 00:06:33,000 to the U.S government its military and 150 00:06:37,490 --> 00:06:35,100 its intelligence operations 151 00:06:40,490 --> 00:06:37,500 it's the perfect fodder for Dodie or 152 00:06:42,650 --> 00:06:40,500 whoever fabricated the fictitious mj-12 153 00:06:44,390 --> 00:06:42,660 several of the alleged members of mj-12 154 00:06:47,270 --> 00:06:44,400 were part of Truman's National Security 155 00:06:49,790 --> 00:06:47,280 Council so it's a conspiracy that 156 00:06:51,710 --> 00:06:49,800 basically wrote itself the US government 157 00:06:54,170 --> 00:06:51,720 is frequently promoted by the more 158 00:06:56,749 --> 00:06:54,180 conspiratorial minded folks within the 159 00:06:58,909 --> 00:06:56,759 UFO Community as The Gatekeepers of UFO 160 00:07:01,370 --> 00:06:58,919 information I've spoken about this 161 00:07:03,710 --> 00:07:01,380 before but I've always found it so 162 00:07:06,409 --> 00:07:03,720 bizarre that a wildly popular public 163 00:07:08,629 --> 00:07:06,419 perception is that UFOs are mostly a 164 00:07:10,370 --> 00:07:08,639 United States thing or that the US 165 00:07:12,710 --> 00:07:10,380 government has some sort of supreme 166 00:07:15,110 --> 00:07:12,720 power over every other country on this 167 00:07:17,029 --> 00:07:15,120 planet and forces every other country to 168 00:07:19,610 --> 00:07:17,039 suppress UFO information 169 00:07:22,249 --> 00:07:19,620 it apparently always needs restating but 170 00:07:24,290 --> 00:07:22,259 UFOs are seen all around the world by 171 00:07:26,930 --> 00:07:24,300 people from all walks of life every 172 00:07:28,909 --> 00:07:26,940 single day and as far as the US 173 00:07:31,129 --> 00:07:28,919 government's strong arming every other 174 00:07:32,930 --> 00:07:31,139 country when it comes to UFOs that's 175 00:07:35,629 --> 00:07:32,940 almost too ridiculous of a notion to 176 00:07:37,670 --> 00:07:35,639 bother addressing but I will say this 177 00:07:39,589 --> 00:07:37,680 people who believe that must not be 178 00:07:42,430 --> 00:07:39,599 aware of what a [\h__\h] show the US 179 00:07:45,050 --> 00:07:42,440 government is and other governments too 180 00:07:48,589 --> 00:07:45,060 but also other governments around the 181 00:07:51,110 --> 00:07:48,599 world have and do study UFOs other 182 00:07:52,730 --> 00:07:51,120 governments have and do release UFO 183 00:07:54,409 --> 00:07:52,740 information to the public 184 00:07:57,650 --> 00:07:54,419 now do these governments release 185 00:08:00,050 --> 00:07:57,660 everything they have related to UFOs of 186 00:08:02,570 --> 00:08:00,060 course not and they never will 187 00:08:04,249 --> 00:08:02,580 like it or not unknowns that appear in a 188 00:08:07,070 --> 00:08:04,259 country's airspace are viewed as 189 00:08:09,350 --> 00:08:07,080 National Security issues and many times 190 00:08:11,629 --> 00:08:09,360 the means with which information is 191 00:08:13,430 --> 00:08:11,639 collected about the UFOs are either 192 00:08:15,230 --> 00:08:13,440 classified or would harm National 193 00:08:17,270 --> 00:08:15,240 Security if those means are shared with 194 00:08:19,249 --> 00:08:17,280 the public that's pretty Common Sense 195 00:08:21,230 --> 00:08:19,259 stuff but it doesn't stop lots of people 196 00:08:23,510 --> 00:08:21,240 from viewing this refusal to publicly 197 00:08:25,790 --> 00:08:23,520 release any and all UFO related material 198 00:08:28,309 --> 00:08:25,800 as a sign of a cover-up 199 00:08:30,830 --> 00:08:28,319 and I have to drop in this reminder too 200 00:08:34,790 --> 00:08:30,840 the governments aren't the holders of 201 00:08:37,370 --> 00:08:34,800 all UFO information or all UFO data 202 00:08:39,350 --> 00:08:37,380 again UFOs are seen every day all around 203 00:08:42,589 --> 00:08:39,360 the world by people from all walks of 204 00:08:45,530 --> 00:08:42,599 life individuals businesses private 205 00:08:48,410 --> 00:08:45,540 researchers Pilots astronomers so many 206 00:08:50,630 --> 00:08:48,420 people have UFO information the entirety 207 00:08:53,090 --> 00:08:50,640 of UFO evidence isn't controlled by the 208 00:08:54,470 --> 00:08:53,100 government in fact and this is 209 00:08:56,990 --> 00:08:54,480 especially true of the most recent 210 00:09:00,530 --> 00:08:57,000 government UFO efforts the government's 211 00:09:02,269 --> 00:09:00,540 picture of the broad UFO issue is 212 00:09:04,490 --> 00:09:02,279 extremely narrow 213 00:09:06,410 --> 00:09:04,500 the U.S government's current UFO study 214 00:09:08,389 --> 00:09:06,420 only looks at military sightings and 215 00:09:11,090 --> 00:09:08,399 incursions that take place at military 216 00:09:13,490 --> 00:09:11,100 training ranges that's an incredibly 217 00:09:16,250 --> 00:09:13,500 small representation of the thousands of 218 00:09:18,590 --> 00:09:16,260 sightings that take place every year 219 00:09:20,509 --> 00:09:18,600 on the previous episode of this show we 220 00:09:22,370 --> 00:09:20,519 briefly mentioned nycap the national 221 00:09:24,829 --> 00:09:22,380 investigations committee on aerial 222 00:09:26,930 --> 00:09:24,839 phenomena this was a prominent American 223 00:09:30,829 --> 00:09:26,940 civilian UFO research group that was 224 00:09:32,750 --> 00:09:30,839 founded in 1956 and ran until 1980. 225 00:09:34,730 --> 00:09:32,760 there's so many fascinating elements 226 00:09:36,829 --> 00:09:34,740 about this group and we're certainly not 227 00:09:38,750 --> 00:09:36,839 getting into all those today but this 228 00:09:40,370 --> 00:09:38,760 group's leadership featured impressive 229 00:09:42,889 --> 00:09:40,380 high-ranking military and government 230 00:09:44,930 --> 00:09:42,899 officials including a U.S army General 231 00:09:46,970 --> 00:09:44,940 and the first director of the Central 232 00:09:49,310 --> 00:09:46,980 Intelligence Agency 233 00:09:50,870 --> 00:09:49,320 various aspects of this group mirror 234 00:09:52,850 --> 00:09:50,880 some of the activity we're seeing today 235 00:09:54,829 --> 00:09:52,860 in the world of UFOs 236 00:09:56,690 --> 00:09:54,839 it's a recurring theme with me I know 237 00:09:59,930 --> 00:09:56,700 and you'll hear me repeat this time and 238 00:10:02,329 --> 00:09:59,940 time again but UFOs are cyclical UFO 239 00:10:03,889 --> 00:10:02,339 history loves to repeat itself and this 240 00:10:06,170 --> 00:10:03,899 is another example 241 00:10:08,329 --> 00:10:06,180 let me know if this sounds familiar 242 00:10:10,130 --> 00:10:08,339 nightcap pushed the notion that there 243 00:10:12,170 --> 00:10:10,140 was an organized cover-up of UFO 244 00:10:14,150 --> 00:10:12,180 information by the U.S government 245 00:10:15,949 --> 00:10:14,160 Additionally the group pushed for 246 00:10:17,690 --> 00:10:15,959 governmental transparency related to 247 00:10:19,190 --> 00:10:17,700 this topic and advocated for 248 00:10:22,070 --> 00:10:19,200 Congressional hearings 249 00:10:24,410 --> 00:10:22,080 and similar to current events the group 250 00:10:26,690 --> 00:10:24,420 hounded members of Congress provided 251 00:10:29,930 --> 00:10:26,700 briefings and was ultimately successful 252 00:10:32,810 --> 00:10:29,940 in seeing UFO hearings take place 253 00:10:34,910 --> 00:10:32,820 nightcap history is really fascinating 254 00:10:36,290 --> 00:10:34,920 I'm going to go on a brief tangent here 255 00:10:38,570 --> 00:10:36,300 to highlight a few more interesting 256 00:10:40,009 --> 00:10:38,580 parallels to what we hear reported about 257 00:10:41,870 --> 00:10:40,019 UFOs today 258 00:10:43,850 --> 00:10:41,880 when icap was just beginning its 259 00:10:45,410 --> 00:10:43,860 formation there was an article published 260 00:10:47,750 --> 00:10:45,420 about it in the Washington Daily News 261 00:10:49,009 --> 00:10:47,760 titled new group setting sites on 262 00:10:50,930 --> 00:10:49,019 saucers 263 00:10:52,910 --> 00:10:50,940 that article is included on the FBI's 264 00:10:54,590 --> 00:10:52,920 website by the way there's quite a bit 265 00:10:57,170 --> 00:10:54,600 of UFO related material there if you 266 00:10:58,490 --> 00:10:57,180 didn't know anyway this article mentions 267 00:11:00,889 --> 00:10:58,500 a statement from the Washington 268 00:11:03,710 --> 00:11:00,899 representative of the airline pilots 269 00:11:05,630 --> 00:11:03,720 Association claiming that quote airline 270 00:11:08,810 --> 00:11:05,640 pilots turn in reports of saucer 271 00:11:10,850 --> 00:11:08,820 sightings almost nightly end quote 272 00:11:13,310 --> 00:11:10,860 in a lot of the UFO news lately we hear 273 00:11:15,530 --> 00:11:13,320 about how common UFO sightings are among 274 00:11:17,509 --> 00:11:15,540 Commercial and Military Pilots that's 275 00:11:18,970 --> 00:11:17,519 always been the case it's not a new 276 00:11:21,650 --> 00:11:18,980 realization 277 00:11:24,050 --> 00:11:21,660 also had a letter they sent to people 278 00:11:25,610 --> 00:11:24,060 including the FBI as part of their 279 00:11:27,650 --> 00:11:25,620 membership recruiting and marketing 280 00:11:29,990 --> 00:11:27,660 efforts that included a statement from 281 00:11:32,030 --> 00:11:30,000 Delmar Farney a retired Navy rear 282 00:11:33,949 --> 00:11:32,040 Admiral who served as chairman of the 283 00:11:36,949 --> 00:11:33,959 Board of Governors at nightcap 284 00:11:39,050 --> 00:11:36,959 this statement reads Reliable Reports 285 00:11:41,630 --> 00:11:39,060 indicate that there are objects coming 286 00:11:44,630 --> 00:11:41,640 into our atmosphere at very high speeds 287 00:11:46,730 --> 00:11:44,640 no agency in this country or Russia is 288 00:11:49,009 --> 00:11:46,740 able to duplicate at this time the 289 00:11:50,750 --> 00:11:49,019 speeds and accelerations which Radars 290 00:11:53,810 --> 00:11:50,760 and observers indicate these flying 291 00:11:56,150 --> 00:11:53,820 objects are able to achieve end quote he 292 00:11:58,310 --> 00:11:56,160 added quote there are signs that an 293 00:12:00,110 --> 00:11:58,320 intelligence directs these objects 294 00:12:01,670 --> 00:12:00,120 because of the way they fly 295 00:12:03,470 --> 00:12:01,680 the way they change position and 296 00:12:06,350 --> 00:12:03,480 formations would indicate that their 297 00:12:08,329 --> 00:12:06,360 motion is directed end quote these 298 00:12:09,889 --> 00:12:08,339 comments sound exactly like those we've 299 00:12:11,870 --> 00:12:09,899 heard in recent years for members of 300 00:12:14,269 --> 00:12:11,880 Congress and the spokespeople who have 301 00:12:15,769 --> 00:12:14,279 been lobbying them on this issue 302 00:12:18,590 --> 00:12:15,779 I'll just read one more line from the 303 00:12:20,150 --> 00:12:18,600 statement it says quote as long as such 304 00:12:21,650 --> 00:12:20,160 unidentified objects continue to 305 00:12:23,870 --> 00:12:21,660 navigate through the Earth's atmosphere 306 00:12:26,389 --> 00:12:23,880 there is an urgent need to know the 307 00:12:27,949 --> 00:12:26,399 facts many observers have ceased to 308 00:12:30,230 --> 00:12:27,959 report their findings to the Air Force 309 00:12:32,870 --> 00:12:30,240 because of the seeming frustration that 310 00:12:34,910 --> 00:12:32,880 is all information going in and none 311 00:12:37,610 --> 00:12:34,920 coming out end quote 312 00:12:39,410 --> 00:12:37,620 again how similar does that sound to the 313 00:12:41,449 --> 00:12:39,420 criticisms and rallying cries we 314 00:12:43,129 --> 00:12:41,459 continue to hear from those driving the 315 00:12:45,410 --> 00:12:43,139 current UFO efforts 316 00:12:47,449 --> 00:12:45,420 if I were a professor and these folks 317 00:12:49,670 --> 00:12:47,459 were my students I'd think there was 318 00:12:51,290 --> 00:12:49,680 some plagiarism going on there 319 00:12:53,090 --> 00:12:51,300 anyway let's get back to our 320 00:12:54,710 --> 00:12:53,100 whistleblower topic we don't need to 321 00:12:57,590 --> 00:12:54,720 turn this into an episode about Nike cap 322 00:12:59,690 --> 00:12:57,600 but nightcap is quite fascinating for 323 00:13:02,629 --> 00:12:59,700 this discussion because frequently the 324 00:13:05,449 --> 00:13:02,639 heroes in the UFO whistleblower Saga are 325 00:13:08,269 --> 00:13:05,459 Rebel former but actually current 326 00:13:10,730 --> 00:13:08,279 government or military employees this 327 00:13:13,129 --> 00:13:10,740 idea of UFO knowledge Gatekeepers within 328 00:13:15,290 --> 00:13:13,139 the government is perpetuated by these 329 00:13:17,210 --> 00:13:15,300 former government employees who publicly 330 00:13:19,610 --> 00:13:17,220 claim to have Insider knowledge of some 331 00:13:21,889 --> 00:13:19,620 of these secrets and the larger plot to 332 00:13:24,590 --> 00:13:21,899 keep those secrets from the public 333 00:13:26,569 --> 00:13:24,600 nycap and some of its leadership is a 334 00:13:28,069 --> 00:13:26,579 good example of this but let's look at 335 00:13:30,350 --> 00:13:28,079 some others 336 00:13:31,910 --> 00:13:30,360 Philip Corso was a lieutenant colonel in 337 00:13:34,910 --> 00:13:31,920 the United States Army 338 00:13:37,370 --> 00:13:34,920 he published a memoir in 1997 titled the 339 00:13:40,550 --> 00:13:37,380 day after Roswell in which he claims 340 00:13:42,889 --> 00:13:40,560 that what crash in Roswell in 1947 was 341 00:13:45,050 --> 00:13:42,899 an extraterrestrial spacecraft and that 342 00:13:46,670 --> 00:13:45,060 craft was recovered by the military and 343 00:13:48,470 --> 00:13:46,680 sent to the foreign technology division 344 00:13:51,889 --> 00:13:48,480 at Wright-Patterson Air Base in Dayton 345 00:13:53,930 --> 00:13:51,899 Ohio it's here that this alleged UFO 346 00:13:56,389 --> 00:13:53,940 material was distributed by Corso to 347 00:13:59,030 --> 00:13:56,399 select corporations to be reverse 348 00:14:01,610 --> 00:13:59,040 engineered and from that effort came 349 00:14:03,110 --> 00:14:01,620 Technologies like night vision fiber 350 00:14:05,389 --> 00:14:03,120 optics and more 351 00:14:08,569 --> 00:14:05,399 Corso alleged that the Army sat on the 352 00:14:10,430 --> 00:14:08,579 Roswell wreckage for 14 years because it 353 00:14:12,829 --> 00:14:10,440 couldn't figure out a way to exploit the 354 00:14:15,110 --> 00:14:12,839 technology without revealing that it 355 00:14:16,910 --> 00:14:15,120 came from an alien spacecraft 356 00:14:19,069 --> 00:14:16,920 Corso was a Special Assistant to 357 00:14:21,650 --> 00:14:19,079 Lieutenant General Arthur Trudeau who 358 00:14:24,290 --> 00:14:21,660 headed up Army research and development 359 00:14:26,269 --> 00:14:24,300 in the book Corso states that in talking 360 00:14:28,850 --> 00:14:26,279 about the Roswell material General 361 00:14:30,470 --> 00:14:28,860 Trudeau told him quote the Air Force 362 00:14:33,110 --> 00:14:30,480 wants it because they think it belongs 363 00:14:35,090 --> 00:14:33,120 to them the Navy wants it because they 364 00:14:36,889 --> 00:14:35,100 want anything the Air Force wants the 365 00:14:39,590 --> 00:14:36,899 CIA wants it so they can give it to the 366 00:14:41,629 --> 00:14:39,600 Russians end quote Corso added that 367 00:14:43,129 --> 00:14:41,639 quote the Navy was struggling with its 368 00:14:45,829 --> 00:14:43,139 own problem of figuring out what to do 369 00:14:47,930 --> 00:14:45,839 about Usos unidentified submerged 370 00:14:50,329 --> 00:14:47,940 objects which could plunge right into 371 00:14:52,069 --> 00:14:50,339 the ocean and surface halfway around the 372 00:14:53,750 --> 00:14:52,079 world without leaving so much as an 373 00:14:56,870 --> 00:14:53,760 underwater signature we could pick up 374 00:14:58,930 --> 00:14:56,880 end quote among his claims was the 375 00:15:00,650 --> 00:14:58,940 notion that the world is at war with 376 00:15:01,910 --> 00:15:00,660 extraterrestrials and that the 377 00:15:04,370 --> 00:15:01,920 government covers up evidence of 378 00:15:06,290 --> 00:15:04,380 extraterrestrials of course these 379 00:15:08,930 --> 00:15:06,300 Sensational claims made by Corso can't 380 00:15:12,170 --> 00:15:08,940 be verified in fact many are 381 00:15:13,910 --> 00:15:12,180 demonstrably false but that didn't stop 382 00:15:16,189 --> 00:15:13,920 the book from being celebrated by many 383 00:15:18,110 --> 00:15:16,199 in the UFO Community as breakthrough 384 00:15:19,670 --> 00:15:18,120 disclosure from a military UFO 385 00:15:21,590 --> 00:15:19,680 whistleblower 386 00:15:24,110 --> 00:15:21,600 obviously Colonel Corso's military 387 00:15:26,569 --> 00:15:24,120 background and rank provided a sense of 388 00:15:28,490 --> 00:15:26,579 credibility to the book as did the books 389 00:15:31,970 --> 00:15:28,500 forward which was written by Senator 390 00:15:33,530 --> 00:15:31,980 Strom Thurman but in 1997 after the book 391 00:15:35,629 --> 00:15:33,540 was published The New York Times 392 00:15:38,930 --> 00:15:35,639 published an article titled Senator 393 00:15:40,550 --> 00:15:38,940 regrets role in book on Aliens 394 00:15:42,590 --> 00:15:40,560 the article includes a statement from 395 00:15:44,150 --> 00:15:42,600 Thurman explaining that quote he 396 00:15:45,530 --> 00:15:44,160 regretted that his forward appeared to 397 00:15:49,430 --> 00:15:45,540 bolster claims of a government 398 00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:49,440 conspiracy end quote he added quote I 399 00:15:53,870 --> 00:15:51,600 know of No Such cover-up and do not 400 00:15:56,090 --> 00:15:53,880 believe one existed end quote 401 00:15:58,490 --> 00:15:56,100 we can't talk about UFO whistleblowers 402 00:16:00,769 --> 00:15:58,500 without mentioning Bob Lazar 403 00:16:04,189 --> 00:16:00,779 the CIA only publicly acknowledged the 404 00:16:06,230 --> 00:16:04,199 existence of Area 51 in 2014 but George 405 00:16:08,110 --> 00:16:06,240 Knapp an investigative journalist at the 406 00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:08,120 CBS affiliate in Las Vegas Nevada 407 00:16:13,370 --> 00:16:10,320 introduced the world to the top secret 408 00:16:15,110 --> 00:16:13,380 military installation in 1989 when he 409 00:16:17,750 --> 00:16:15,120 interviewed Bob Lazar 410 00:16:20,329 --> 00:16:17,760 at the time Lazar claimed he worked on 411 00:16:22,670 --> 00:16:20,339 reverse engineering alien technology at 412 00:16:24,829 --> 00:16:22,680 a secret facility called S4 that was 413 00:16:27,470 --> 00:16:24,839 built into a Mountainside just south of 414 00:16:29,210 --> 00:16:27,480 area 51's main site he said he was fired 415 00:16:30,889 --> 00:16:29,220 after it was discovered that he had told 416 00:16:33,170 --> 00:16:30,899 friends where they could watch test 417 00:16:35,569 --> 00:16:33,180 flights of the advanced extraterrestrial 418 00:16:37,069 --> 00:16:35,579 technology he was working on he also 419 00:16:39,410 --> 00:16:37,079 claimed he was red government briefing 420 00:16:42,050 --> 00:16:39,420 docs detailing 10 000 years of 421 00:16:44,269 --> 00:16:42,060 extraterrestrials interacting with Earth 422 00:16:46,730 --> 00:16:44,279 like anybody else whose Grand claims 423 00:16:48,110 --> 00:16:46,740 can't be substantiated Lazar is a 424 00:16:51,230 --> 00:16:48,120 polarizing figure 425 00:16:53,090 --> 00:16:51,240 many people believe his claims and many 426 00:16:55,730 --> 00:16:53,100 people think he's full of [\h__\h] 427 00:16:57,110 --> 00:16:55,740 but Bob Lazar still firmly stands by his 428 00:16:58,970 --> 00:16:57,120 assertions 429 00:17:00,829 --> 00:16:58,980 remember how I said that the heroes in 430 00:17:02,810 --> 00:17:00,839 the UFO whistleblower Saga are typically 431 00:17:05,630 --> 00:17:02,820 Rebel farmer but actually current 432 00:17:08,689 --> 00:17:05,640 government or military employees let's 433 00:17:11,390 --> 00:17:08,699 jump to a current example of that 434 00:17:13,490 --> 00:17:11,400 Luis salazando is a former U.S army 435 00:17:15,230 --> 00:17:13,500 counterintelligence special agent who 436 00:17:16,909 --> 00:17:15,240 spent a chunk of his career working at 437 00:17:19,429 --> 00:17:16,919 the Pentagon in the office of the under 438 00:17:21,230 --> 00:17:19,439 secretary of defense for intelligence 439 00:17:22,730 --> 00:17:21,240 we talked about Lou periodically on this 440 00:17:24,829 --> 00:17:22,740 show because he's worked hard to 441 00:17:26,809 --> 00:17:24,839 establish himself as one of the dominant 442 00:17:28,730 --> 00:17:26,819 Talking Heads on the subject of UFOs in 443 00:17:31,130 --> 00:17:28,740 recent years during his time at the 444 00:17:33,110 --> 00:17:31,140 Pentagon Lou reportedly led a UFO study 445 00:17:35,210 --> 00:17:33,120 called atip the advanced Aerospace 446 00:17:37,130 --> 00:17:35,220 threat identification program 447 00:17:40,730 --> 00:17:37,140 he says he quit his job in October of 448 00:17:42,970 --> 00:17:40,740 2017 to protest what he perceived as his 449 00:17:45,950 --> 00:17:42,980 superiors not taking his work seriously 450 00:17:47,330 --> 00:17:45,960 excessive secrecy and internal 451 00:17:49,909 --> 00:17:47,340 opposition 452 00:17:51,650 --> 00:17:49,919 his resignation was timed perfectly with 453 00:17:54,110 --> 00:17:51,660 the launch of Tom delong's to the Stars 454 00:17:56,150 --> 00:17:54,120 Academy of Arts and Science a week later 455 00:17:58,370 --> 00:17:56,160 Lou is introduced to the world as part 456 00:18:01,130 --> 00:17:58,380 of this new organization during a live 457 00:18:02,450 --> 00:18:01,140 event announcing the formation of ttsa 458 00:18:04,610 --> 00:18:02,460 writing about this group for the 459 00:18:06,710 --> 00:18:04,620 Huffington Post journalist Leslie Kane 460 00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:06,720 described quote former high-level 461 00:18:10,850 --> 00:18:08,640 officials and scientists with deep black 462 00:18:12,890 --> 00:18:10,860 experience who have always remained in 463 00:18:14,510 --> 00:18:12,900 the shadows are now stepping into the 464 00:18:16,669 --> 00:18:14,520 light end quote 465 00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:16,679 Lou and his colleagues who were also 466 00:18:21,049 --> 00:18:18,960 former government officials went to work 467 00:18:23,330 --> 00:18:21,059 using their connections in Washington DC 468 00:18:24,890 --> 00:18:23,340 to Lobby Congress to take an interest in 469 00:18:27,770 --> 00:18:24,900 UFOs 470 00:18:29,450 --> 00:18:27,780 and all the governmental interest and 471 00:18:31,970 --> 00:18:29,460 activity related to UFOs we're seeing 472 00:18:34,610 --> 00:18:31,980 today is a direct result of their 473 00:18:36,890 --> 00:18:34,620 efforts and you know those three videos 474 00:18:37,970 --> 00:18:36,900 that show U.S Navy fighter jets tracking 475 00:18:39,350 --> 00:18:37,980 UFOs 476 00:18:41,570 --> 00:18:39,360 the videos you've probably seen a 477 00:18:43,250 --> 00:18:41,580 million times by now Lou helped 478 00:18:44,750 --> 00:18:43,260 facilitate the release and promotion of 479 00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:44,760 those videos before he resigned from the 480 00:18:47,330 --> 00:18:45,840 Pentagon 481 00:18:50,330 --> 00:18:47,340 a couple of those videos were included 482 00:18:52,430 --> 00:18:50,340 in a December 16 2017 story published in 483 00:18:53,810 --> 00:18:52,440 the New York Times in which Lou revealed 484 00:18:57,110 --> 00:18:53,820 the existence of the pentagon's 485 00:19:00,110 --> 00:18:57,120 previously unknown atip UFO program 486 00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:00,120 needless to say Luis Elizondo is viewed 487 00:19:05,930 --> 00:19:03,360 by many as a hero UFO whistleblower 488 00:19:08,390 --> 00:19:05,940 but as is the case with all of these UFO 489 00:19:09,409 --> 00:19:08,400 whistleblowers Elizondo is a polarizing 490 00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:09,419 figure 491 00:19:13,430 --> 00:19:11,520 many celebrate his accomplishments and 492 00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:13,440 some even put him up on a pedestal and 493 00:19:17,570 --> 00:19:14,880 view him as their leader in the fight 494 00:19:19,070 --> 00:19:17,580 against UFO secrecy yet others 495 00:19:21,650 --> 00:19:19,080 questioned both the validity of his 496 00:19:23,210 --> 00:19:21,660 claims and the motives behind them for 497 00:19:25,310 --> 00:19:23,220 starters there have been issues with 498 00:19:27,470 --> 00:19:25,320 confirming his claims regarding the size 499 00:19:29,270 --> 00:19:27,480 and scope of atip's work 500 00:19:31,430 --> 00:19:29,280 there have even been some issues with 501 00:19:32,690 --> 00:19:31,440 confirming that he led this project at 502 00:19:34,730 --> 00:19:32,700 all 503 00:19:37,070 --> 00:19:34,740 on multiple occasions the Pentagon has 504 00:19:39,289 --> 00:19:37,080 directly stated that Lou had no assigned 505 00:19:41,630 --> 00:19:39,299 duties related to atip 506 00:19:43,130 --> 00:19:41,640 the late Senator Harry Reid who was 507 00:19:45,529 --> 00:19:43,140 directly involved in the establishment 508 00:19:47,330 --> 00:19:45,539 of atip and its predecessor program was 509 00:19:49,610 --> 00:19:47,340 happy to come to elizondo's defense 510 00:19:51,169 --> 00:19:49,620 asserting that he knew Lou was the 511 00:19:52,730 --> 00:19:51,179 director of the program 512 00:19:53,570 --> 00:19:52,740 but the Pentagon still refutes that 513 00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:53,580 claim 514 00:19:57,770 --> 00:19:56,400 in May of 2021 Lou filed a complaint 515 00:19:59,570 --> 00:19:57,780 with the Department of defense's 516 00:20:01,850 --> 00:19:59,580 Inspector General because of the 517 00:20:04,490 --> 00:20:01,860 pentagon's pushback citing coordinated 518 00:20:07,730 --> 00:20:04,500 disinformation professional misconduct 519 00:20:10,850 --> 00:20:07,740 and whistleblower reprisal 520 00:20:12,590 --> 00:20:10,860 documents from February of 2022 showed 521 00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:12,600 that the dod Office of the Inspector 522 00:20:17,390 --> 00:20:15,120 General dismissed the complaint citing a 523 00:20:19,730 --> 00:20:17,400 lack of evidence to back up the claims 524 00:20:21,710 --> 00:20:19,740 this dismissal was also reportedly 525 00:20:24,590 --> 00:20:21,720 acknowledged by elizano's attorney and 526 00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:24,600 UFO researcher Danny Sheehan who 527 00:20:27,409 --> 00:20:26,400 happened to be at my wedding oddly 528 00:20:29,330 --> 00:20:27,419 enough 529 00:20:31,070 --> 00:20:29,340 Elizondo is still reportedly a 530 00:20:33,650 --> 00:20:31,080 government contractor and performs work 531 00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:33,660 in some capacity for the U.S space force 532 00:20:36,529 --> 00:20:35,520 that's something that fuels conspiracy 533 00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:36,539 for some 534 00:20:40,610 --> 00:20:38,400 a guy who spilled the beans on the 535 00:20:42,770 --> 00:20:40,620 government's UFO work resigned in 536 00:20:45,650 --> 00:20:42,780 protest accused the government of lying 537 00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:45,660 but still gets government contracts and 538 00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:48,240 maintains security clearances 539 00:20:51,950 --> 00:20:50,640 balbazar is another one spilled the 540 00:20:54,289 --> 00:20:51,960 beans on alien Tech and government 541 00:20:56,450 --> 00:20:54,299 possession lose his job because of it 542 00:20:58,370 --> 00:20:56,460 yet continued to work as a government 543 00:21:00,650 --> 00:20:58,380 contractor after that 544 00:21:03,169 --> 00:21:00,660 did these guys and others do what they 545 00:21:05,650 --> 00:21:03,179 did and say what they said because it's 546 00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:05,660 what the government wanted them to do 547 00:21:10,490 --> 00:21:09,120 probably not but who knows anything's 548 00:21:13,250 --> 00:21:10,500 possible 549 00:21:14,750 --> 00:21:13,260 but it's certainly a bit odd history is 550 00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:14,760 full of military and government 551 00:21:19,789 --> 00:21:17,280 officials who have made grand claims 552 00:21:22,130 --> 00:21:19,799 about UFOs and extraterrestrials 553 00:21:24,830 --> 00:21:22,140 let's look at one more 554 00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:24,840 Bob Dean was a retired U.S army command 555 00:21:28,850 --> 00:21:27,120 sergeant major who became a prominent 556 00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:28,860 figure in the UFO community in his 557 00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:30,720 retirement years 558 00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:33,840 I miss Bob I get to spend quite a bit of 559 00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:36,240 time with them over the years Bob was a 560 00:21:41,570 --> 00:21:38,960 gentle kind soft-spoken sweetheart 561 00:21:43,789 --> 00:21:41,580 everybody loved Bob 562 00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:43,799 but Bob made lots of wild claims without 563 00:21:47,390 --> 00:21:45,840 the evidence to back it up here are some 564 00:21:48,590 --> 00:21:47,400 items he routinely claimed in his 565 00:21:50,690 --> 00:21:48,600 lectures 566 00:21:52,370 --> 00:21:50,700 Bob loved talking about how the U.S 567 00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:52,380 government is covering up alien 568 00:21:57,890 --> 00:21:55,440 visitation and alien presence on Earth 569 00:22:00,350 --> 00:21:57,900 not just a few but a hundred different 570 00:22:02,930 --> 00:22:00,360 alien life forms in addition to 571 00:22:05,149 --> 00:22:02,940 extra-dimensional beings Dean asserted 572 00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:05,159 that this cover-up was both a multiple 573 00:22:11,450 --> 00:22:09,120 agency and multiple country effort 574 00:22:13,730 --> 00:22:11,460 and the reason for the cover-up is to 575 00:22:16,669 --> 00:22:13,740 protect us because learning the truth 576 00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:16,679 would shatter our perception of reality 577 00:22:21,649 --> 00:22:19,140 Bob also frequently pushed old standard 578 00:22:23,390 --> 00:22:21,659 UFO tropes like humans were Seated on 579 00:22:27,230 --> 00:22:23,400 this planet by extraterrestrials long 580 00:22:29,210 --> 00:22:27,240 ago and that were part of an experiment 581 00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:29,220 during his time in the military Bob 582 00:22:33,289 --> 00:22:31,200 stated that he was stationed at the 583 00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:33,299 Supreme headquarters Allied Powers 584 00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:36,000 Europe also known as shape which is the 585 00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:37,919 military headquarters of NATO's Allied 586 00:22:42,289 --> 00:22:40,080 command operations that commands 587 00:22:44,270 --> 00:22:42,299 worldwide NATO operations 588 00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,280 Bob always talked about this during his 589 00:22:50,330 --> 00:22:46,799 lectures informing audiences that he 590 00:22:52,730 --> 00:22:50,340 held Cosmic top secret clearance which 591 00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:52,740 sounds badass to a UFO crowd 592 00:22:56,930 --> 00:22:55,440 it also sounds a little made up but no 593 00:22:59,570 --> 00:22:56,940 it's a real thing 594 00:23:02,090 --> 00:22:59,580 this is a NATO classification that 595 00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:02,100 stands for control of secret material in 596 00:23:07,010 --> 00:23:04,080 an international command 597 00:23:09,169 --> 00:23:07,020 he alleged that while at shape he viewed 598 00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:09,179 a classified government document called 599 00:23:14,810 --> 00:23:12,240 the assessment that discussed threats 600 00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:14,820 posed by alien activity on Earth 601 00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:17,280 shape of course denies any report like 602 00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,679 this was ever created 603 00:23:23,870 --> 00:23:21,600 in addition to government or military 604 00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:23,880 so-called whistleblowers there have been 605 00:23:27,049 --> 00:23:24,960 countless high-ranking government 606 00:23:29,330 --> 00:23:27,059 officials who have actively gone looking 607 00:23:30,350 --> 00:23:29,340 for UFO info while they've been in 608 00:23:32,270 --> 00:23:30,360 office 609 00:23:34,130 --> 00:23:32,280 former U.S President Bill Clinton made 610 00:23:36,350 --> 00:23:34,140 attempts to uncover UFO Secrets while he 611 00:23:38,810 --> 00:23:36,360 was in office he specifically did some 612 00:23:40,730 --> 00:23:38,820 digging related to the 1947 Roswell UFO 613 00:23:43,549 --> 00:23:40,740 incident as well as the mysterious 614 00:23:46,130 --> 00:23:43,559 military installation area 51. 615 00:23:48,770 --> 00:23:46,140 in 2014 he appeared on Jimmy Kimmel Live 616 00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:48,780 and when asked about his research he 617 00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:50,159 said he didn't find any evidence of 618 00:23:53,930 --> 00:23:51,600 extraterrestrials 619 00:23:55,850 --> 00:23:53,940 Jimmy Carter did the same thing and said 620 00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:55,860 he didn't find anything 621 00:23:58,490 --> 00:23:57,600 and let's talk about Christopher Mellon 622 00:24:00,649 --> 00:23:58,500 for a minute 623 00:24:02,390 --> 00:24:00,659 melon who served as Deputy assistant 624 00:24:04,909 --> 00:24:02,400 secretary of defense for intelligence 625 00:24:08,029 --> 00:24:04,919 under two administrations is another key 626 00:24:09,950 --> 00:24:08,039 player one of the key players personally 627 00:24:11,810 --> 00:24:09,960 responsible for all the current 628 00:24:14,450 --> 00:24:11,820 government UFO interests 629 00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:14,460 like Lou Elizondo melon joined to the 630 00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:18,240 Stars Academy at its Inception in 2017. 631 00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:20,400 he helped Lou facilitate the release and 632 00:24:24,649 --> 00:24:22,799 publicity of those UFO videos 633 00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:24,659 he and Lou went to work Lobby in 634 00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:26,880 Congress and he essentially crafted the 635 00:24:30,350 --> 00:24:29,039 language for the legislation put forth 636 00:24:32,690 --> 00:24:30,360 by the Senate select committee on 637 00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:32,700 intelligence that became law and is 638 00:24:36,830 --> 00:24:35,039 driving current government UFO efforts 639 00:24:39,289 --> 00:24:36,840 he's definitely a driving force of 640 00:24:42,770 --> 00:24:39,299 current UFO transparency efforts 641 00:24:45,230 --> 00:24:42,780 Mellon left government work in 2004 but 642 00:24:48,289 --> 00:24:45,240 when asked about UFOs in 2016 by 643 00:24:50,210 --> 00:24:48,299 journalist Leslie Kane he stated quote I 644 00:24:53,090 --> 00:24:50,220 highly doubt DOD or any other government 645 00:24:55,610 --> 00:24:53,100 agency is concealing UFO information 646 00:24:59,210 --> 00:24:55,620 I participated in a comprehensive review 647 00:25:01,730 --> 00:24:59,220 of dod's black programs and spent over a 648 00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:01,740 decade conducting oversight of the 649 00:25:05,870 --> 00:25:03,360 national foreign intelligence program 650 00:25:08,810 --> 00:25:05,880 and almost totally separate world of 651 00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:08,820 Secrets I visited Area 51 and other 652 00:25:13,730 --> 00:25:10,799 military intelligence and research 653 00:25:15,890 --> 00:25:13,740 facilities during all those years I 654 00:25:17,390 --> 00:25:15,900 never detected the faintest hint of 655 00:25:20,570 --> 00:25:17,400 government interest or involvement in 656 00:25:21,710 --> 00:25:20,580 UFOs end quote when Kane brought up the 657 00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,720 topic of pushing for the 658 00:25:25,970 --> 00:25:23,520 declassification of government UFO 659 00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:25,980 documents melon stated quote 660 00:25:31,010 --> 00:25:28,799 while a few new previously overlooked 661 00:25:33,289 --> 00:25:31,020 documents might turn up the bureaucracy 662 00:25:35,390 --> 00:25:33,299 is never perfect I did not believe they 663 00:25:37,789 --> 00:25:35,400 would resolve the UFO issue or provide 664 00:25:39,409 --> 00:25:37,799 significant new insight I can think of 665 00:25:41,630 --> 00:25:39,419 one lengthy UFO report that is 666 00:25:43,970 --> 00:25:41,640 classified only due to concerns over 667 00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:43,980 sources and methods in fact it 668 00:25:47,570 --> 00:25:45,720 identified a convincing conventional 669 00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,580 explanation for the pilot citing in this 670 00:25:50,810 --> 00:25:49,200 particular case 671 00:25:53,330 --> 00:25:50,820 there are lots of classified documents 672 00:25:55,970 --> 00:25:53,340 related to activities at Area 51 where 673 00:25:57,529 --> 00:25:55,980 high security is needed but this is all 674 00:25:59,630 --> 00:25:57,539 legitimate stuff the American people 675 00:26:01,549 --> 00:25:59,640 would support they have nothing to do 676 00:26:03,529 --> 00:26:01,559 with UFOs to the best of my knowledge 677 00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:03,539 end quote 678 00:26:07,010 --> 00:26:05,400 in addition to stating that he has no 679 00:26:10,190 --> 00:26:07,020 reason to believe we've ever recovered 680 00:26:12,049 --> 00:26:10,200 UFO wreckage he added quote calling for 681 00:26:14,269 --> 00:26:12,059 the end to an alleged government UFO 682 00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:14,279 cover-up is almost certainly a dead end 683 00:26:18,289 --> 00:26:16,799 and does not help Inspire anyone in 684 00:26:21,169 --> 00:26:18,299 government to become more open to the 685 00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:21,179 topic the UFO mystery is a scientific 686 00:26:25,250 --> 00:26:23,940 problem end quote 687 00:26:27,890 --> 00:26:25,260 it is interesting When government 688 00:26:30,409 --> 00:26:27,900 officials important government officials 689 00:26:33,049 --> 00:26:30,419 in high places go looking for UFO 690 00:26:34,010 --> 00:26:33,059 information while in office and find 691 00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:34,020 nothing 692 00:26:39,169 --> 00:26:36,840 yet upon leaving the government they 693 00:26:42,289 --> 00:26:39,179 join UFO groups and become proponents 694 00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:42,299 and promoters of UFO lore not based on 695 00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:43,679 what they know or saw during the course 696 00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:46,080 of their governmental duties but in what 697 00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:48,240 they're told by these UFO groups 698 00:26:53,690 --> 00:26:50,820 this obviously isn't necessarily a bad 699 00:26:55,549 --> 00:26:53,700 thing but it can become a negative when 700 00:26:57,710 --> 00:26:55,559 such people become Talking Heads or 701 00:27:00,350 --> 00:26:57,720 start promoting UFO information claims 702 00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,360 and conspiracies without supporting 703 00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,880 evidence to back up those claims 704 00:27:05,870 --> 00:27:04,559 what these people say has more weight 705 00:27:07,850 --> 00:27:05,880 because of their previous government 706 00:27:09,649 --> 00:27:07,860 positions and their impressive 707 00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:09,659 government titles 708 00:27:13,970 --> 00:27:12,000 creates the illusion that what they are 709 00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:13,980 claiming is based on personal knowledge 710 00:27:17,690 --> 00:27:15,840 the things they found out while working 711 00:27:20,029 --> 00:27:17,700 in their official capacity 712 00:27:21,470 --> 00:27:20,039 Paul Hellyer is an excellent example of 713 00:27:23,870 --> 00:27:21,480 that 714 00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,880 The Honorable Paul Hellyer was a member 715 00:27:27,950 --> 00:27:25,919 of Parliament and served as Canada's 716 00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:27,960 minister of National Defense 717 00:27:32,330 --> 00:27:30,000 he publicly voiced his belief regarding 718 00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:32,340 extraterrestrials for years 719 00:27:37,310 --> 00:27:34,500 Hellyer stated that quote aliens are 720 00:27:39,289 --> 00:27:37,320 living among us and that it is likely at 721 00:27:41,570 --> 00:27:39,299 least two of them are working with the 722 00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:41,580 U.S government end quote 723 00:27:45,950 --> 00:27:44,100 adding to that he stated that at least 724 00:27:47,690 --> 00:27:45,960 four species of extraterrestrials have 725 00:27:48,890 --> 00:27:47,700 been visiting Earth for thousands of 726 00:27:51,049 --> 00:27:48,900 years 727 00:27:54,110 --> 00:27:51,059 hillier's public comments about UFOs and 728 00:27:56,570 --> 00:27:54,120 extraterrestrials began in 2005. at the 729 00:27:58,970 --> 00:27:56,580 2005 exopolitics Symposium at the 730 00:28:01,370 --> 00:27:58,980 University of Toronto Hellyer stated 731 00:28:03,529 --> 00:28:01,380 quote UFOs are as real as the airplanes 732 00:28:06,049 --> 00:28:03,539 that fly over your heads that is my 733 00:28:08,510 --> 00:28:06,059 unequivocal conclusion end quote 734 00:28:10,130 --> 00:28:08,520 he reiterated this statement in many of 735 00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:10,140 his interviews and lectures on the topic 736 00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:12,840 of UFOs and extraterrestrials and at the 737 00:28:17,450 --> 00:28:15,360 end of 2013 Hellyer appeared on Russian 738 00:28:20,090 --> 00:28:17,460 television network RT's interview show 739 00:28:22,909 --> 00:28:20,100 Sophie Co to discuss extraterrestrials 740 00:28:24,769 --> 00:28:22,919 and UFOs during the interview Hellyer 741 00:28:27,769 --> 00:28:24,779 claimed that UFOs had been down by 742 00:28:30,049 --> 00:28:27,779 military action and alien technology has 743 00:28:33,409 --> 00:28:30,059 been harnessed by Earthlings 744 00:28:35,570 --> 00:28:33,419 here's what he had to say about that 745 00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:35,580 that they are here Among Us and I'm not 746 00:28:41,870 --> 00:28:39,600 afraid because in most cases well 747 00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:41,880 as far as technology is concerned 748 00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:43,679 they're light years ahead of us 749 00:28:47,330 --> 00:28:45,900 and we have learned a lot of things from 750 00:28:51,649 --> 00:28:47,340 them a lot of the things that we use 751 00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:51,659 today we got from them you know 752 00:28:57,250 --> 00:28:55,919 LED lights and microchips and 753 00:29:00,110 --> 00:28:57,260 Kevlar 754 00:29:03,169 --> 00:29:00,120 vests and 755 00:29:04,669 --> 00:29:03,179 all sorts of things that we got from 756 00:29:06,529 --> 00:29:04,679 their technology 757 00:29:08,269 --> 00:29:06,539 and we could get a lot more to 758 00:29:11,570 --> 00:29:08,279 especially in the fields of medicine and 759 00:29:13,070 --> 00:29:11,580 agriculture if we would if we would go 760 00:29:16,669 --> 00:29:13,080 about it peacefully 761 00:29:19,690 --> 00:29:16,679 but I think maybe some of our people are 762 00:29:22,669 --> 00:29:19,700 are more interested in getting their 763 00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:22,679 their military technology 764 00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:25,440 and I think that's that's wrong I think 765 00:29:29,389 --> 00:29:27,840 that's wrong-headed and that's one of 766 00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:29,399 the things that that we're going to have 767 00:29:32,510 --> 00:29:30,960 to change because we're going to have to 768 00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:32,520 work together 769 00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:34,799 sounds a little familiar right 770 00:29:40,610 --> 00:29:37,620 Philip Corso anybody 771 00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,620 in February 2007 the Ottawa Citizen 772 00:29:44,510 --> 00:29:42,240 reported that Hellyer was calling for 773 00:29:46,850 --> 00:29:44,520 quote a public disclosure of alien 774 00:29:49,549 --> 00:29:46,860 technology obtained during alleged UFO 775 00:29:52,010 --> 00:29:49,559 crashes such as the mysterious 1947 776 00:29:54,169 --> 00:29:52,020 incident in Roswell New Mexico Because 777 00:29:56,510 --> 00:29:54,179 he believes alien species can provide 778 00:29:58,669 --> 00:29:56,520 Humanity with a viable alternative to 779 00:30:00,649 --> 00:29:58,679 fossil fuels end quote 780 00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:00,659 the assertions made by Hellyer over the 781 00:30:06,049 --> 00:30:02,880 years are pretty incredible and pretty 782 00:30:07,730 --> 00:30:06,059 alarming but again although helier was a 783 00:30:10,430 --> 00:30:07,740 respected former high-ranking government 784 00:30:12,830 --> 00:30:10,440 official his alien claims were based on 785 00:30:14,690 --> 00:30:12,840 books he'd read things he'd heard at UFO 786 00:30:16,850 --> 00:30:14,700 conferences and stories he'd been told 787 00:30:18,529 --> 00:30:16,860 by other people not on first-hand 788 00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:18,539 knowledge or anything he discovered in 789 00:30:23,630 --> 00:30:20,399 the course of his governmental duties 790 00:30:24,769 --> 00:30:23,640 and look I do want to add that just 791 00:30:27,169 --> 00:30:24,779 because some of these people like 792 00:30:30,049 --> 00:30:27,179 Hellyer stated things not based on 793 00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:30,059 personal experiences doesn't necessarily 794 00:30:33,710 --> 00:30:32,159 mean they're not genuine or don't 795 00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:33,720 deserve to be considered 796 00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:35,520 but it is important to keep that in mind 797 00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,679 and understand that no matter how 798 00:30:42,529 --> 00:30:39,840 exciting the claim sounds and no matter 799 00:30:44,450 --> 00:30:42,539 who is restating those claims it's still 800 00:30:45,769 --> 00:30:44,460 just second or third hand anecdotal 801 00:30:47,810 --> 00:30:45,779 information 802 00:30:49,610 --> 00:30:47,820 and the value or weight of that type of 803 00:30:51,769 --> 00:30:49,620 supporting evidence really varies from 804 00:30:53,930 --> 00:30:51,779 person to person it's up to every 805 00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:53,940 individual to decide for themselves how 806 00:30:58,490 --> 00:30:55,200 much weight they want to give that 807 00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:58,500 information and how much if at all they 808 00:31:01,850 --> 00:31:00,000 want that information to affect their 809 00:31:04,669 --> 00:31:01,860 personal beliefs 810 00:31:06,409 --> 00:31:04,679 UFO whistleblowers are problematic many 811 00:31:08,450 --> 00:31:06,419 view these whistleblowers as our best 812 00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:08,460 and only possibility to learn what the 813 00:31:13,130 --> 00:31:10,440 government knows about UFOs and to get 814 00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:13,140 answers to the Grand UFO mystery 815 00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:14,880 and the recent legislation within the US 816 00:31:18,289 --> 00:31:16,559 government even incorporates language 817 00:31:20,330 --> 00:31:18,299 designed to elicit and protect 818 00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:20,340 whistleblowers who come forward and 819 00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:23,279 divulge their secrets to Congress 820 00:31:26,930 --> 00:31:25,200 UFO disclosure Advocates get really 821 00:31:28,909 --> 00:31:26,940 excited about this 822 00:31:31,610 --> 00:31:28,919 but that excitement seems unmerited in 823 00:31:33,889 --> 00:31:31,620 my opinion that's because as with most 824 00:31:35,810 --> 00:31:33,899 things related to UFOs in government we 825 00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:35,820 in the general public will likely never 826 00:31:38,510 --> 00:31:37,440 hear what these alleged whistleblowers 827 00:31:41,510 --> 00:31:38,520 reveal 828 00:31:43,310 --> 00:31:41,520 additionally as we see with existing UFO 829 00:31:45,769 --> 00:31:43,320 whistleblowers who publicly share their 830 00:31:47,930 --> 00:31:45,779 acclaims secrets or Insider knowledge it 831 00:31:51,169 --> 00:31:47,940 makes for some cool stories Sensational 832 00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:51,179 headlines and fuel for conspiracies 833 00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:52,860 but that's it 834 00:31:57,529 --> 00:31:55,679 intentional or not those claims aren't 835 00:31:59,149 --> 00:31:57,539 accompanied by evidence and are 836 00:32:01,490 --> 00:31:59,159 unverifiable 837 00:32:03,769 --> 00:32:01,500 dangling carrots then invoking security 838 00:32:05,210 --> 00:32:03,779 Oaths doesn't do anything but fuel 839 00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:05,220 conspiracies 840 00:32:10,430 --> 00:32:07,440 people who claim to have secret Insider 841 00:32:13,250 --> 00:32:10,440 sources sharing UFO info with them have 842 00:32:14,750 --> 00:32:13,260 been and always will be a dime a dozen 843 00:32:18,049 --> 00:32:14,760 in the UFO field 844 00:32:20,690 --> 00:32:18,059 the people who say blindly trust me I 845 00:32:23,090 --> 00:32:20,700 know you don't don't believe anybody 846 00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:23,100 else join us and we're at war with 847 00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:26,640 anybody who questions us is also a very 848 00:32:30,830 --> 00:32:28,740 tired UFO trope 849 00:32:32,269 --> 00:32:30,840 can useful information come from UFO 850 00:32:34,610 --> 00:32:32,279 whistleblowers 851 00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:34,620 we'll see that's still yet to be 852 00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:35,760 determined 853 00:32:40,430 --> 00:32:38,100 historically those who emerge and play 854 00:32:42,350 --> 00:32:40,440 the role of UFO whistleblower provide 855 00:32:44,210 --> 00:32:42,360 little if any benefit to genuine 856 00:32:46,370 --> 00:32:44,220 unbiased research 857 00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:46,380 on the contrary these individuals 858 00:32:50,990 --> 00:32:48,720 typically can't back up their claims or 859 00:32:53,570 --> 00:32:51,000 inconveniently or conveniently 860 00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:53,580 restricted by non-disclosure agreements 861 00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:55,200 or security Oaths 862 00:32:59,510 --> 00:32:57,600 the wild claims paired with the lack of 863 00:33:01,730 --> 00:32:59,520 evidence just contributes to the 864 00:33:03,470 --> 00:33:01,740 ridicule and stigma this topic tries so 865 00:33:05,690 --> 00:33:03,480 hard to shed 866 00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:05,700 are there individuals out there who have 867 00:33:09,649 --> 00:33:07,440 some bombshell information that can shed 868 00:33:11,690 --> 00:33:09,659 light on UFOs in some form 869 00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:11,700 that wouldn't surprise me at all but 870 00:33:15,529 --> 00:33:13,140 until they can back up those incredible 871 00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:15,539 claims with hard evidence the general 872 00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:17,279 public isn't going to take them 873 00:33:20,810 --> 00:33:18,720 seriously 874 00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:20,820 but worrying about how the general 875 00:33:26,029 --> 00:33:23,519 public views UFOs aside the real danger 876 00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:26,039 here is like with any discs or 877 00:33:30,529 --> 00:33:28,559 misinformation lies with those who do 878 00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,539 blindly accept the information without 879 00:33:34,610 --> 00:33:32,640 verification then repeat that 880 00:33:36,529 --> 00:33:34,620 information and essentially become 881 00:33:37,490 --> 00:33:36,539 disciples spreading the word of their 882 00:33:40,909 --> 00:33:37,500 hero 883 00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:40,919 UFOs are hard personalities make UFOs 884 00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,620 hard it's hard to know who to trust and 885 00:33:48,409 --> 00:33:45,360 what information to believe 886 00:33:50,990 --> 00:33:48,419 that's why I always say the UFO Quest is 887 00:33:53,330 --> 00:33:51,000 a personal one we all have to decide for 888 00:33:55,549 --> 00:33:53,340 ourselves who and what information we 889 00:33:57,710 --> 00:33:55,559 personally find convincing and apply 890 00:33:59,630 --> 00:33:57,720 that to our own personal beliefs 891 00:34:01,490 --> 00:33:59,640 and we have to be open to changing those 892 00:34:02,810 --> 00:34:01,500 beliefs as we weigh and apply new 893 00:34:05,090 --> 00:34:02,820 information 894 00:34:07,370 --> 00:34:05,100 I was told long ago that if someone 895 00:34:10,369 --> 00:34:07,380 tells you they have all the answers run 896 00:34:13,070 --> 00:34:10,379 the other way that's great advice and 897 00:34:15,530 --> 00:34:13,080 it's a great red flag to watch for 898 00:34:16,849 --> 00:34:15,540 I've been doing the UFO thing for a long 899 00:34:18,889 --> 00:34:16,859 time 900 00:34:21,290 --> 00:34:18,899 I spoken to countless government and 901 00:34:24,169 --> 00:34:21,300 military people who have some of the 902 00:34:26,930 --> 00:34:24,179 wildest stories and have made the most 903 00:34:29,210 --> 00:34:26,940 incredible claims but because those 904 00:34:31,490 --> 00:34:29,220 claims couldn't be substantiated I 905 00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:31,500 resisted the urge to go running off to 906 00:34:34,070 --> 00:34:32,879 tell the world about these incredible 907 00:34:36,530 --> 00:34:34,080 stories 908 00:34:38,329 --> 00:34:36,540 that would be completely irresponsible 909 00:34:40,669 --> 00:34:38,339 the last thing the UFO research 910 00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:40,679 Community needs are more wild stories 911 00:34:45,649 --> 00:34:42,480 with zero evidence 912 00:34:48,530 --> 00:34:45,659 I've heard and seen so much during my 913 00:34:50,030 --> 00:34:48,540 UFO career it's wild 914 00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:50,040 Wild 915 00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:53,280 but I'm always honest with you I don't 916 00:34:57,650 --> 00:34:55,260 have an agenda I don't make my living 917 00:35:00,589 --> 00:34:57,660 from the UFO field anymore I don't 918 00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:00,599 solicit money for this podcast yeah I 919 00:35:04,730 --> 00:35:03,119 still do TV appearances but I don't 920 00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,740 remember the last time I was paid for a 921 00:35:08,450 --> 00:35:07,200 TV appearance believe me I don't have a 922 00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:08,460 problem with money or people making 923 00:35:12,770 --> 00:35:10,440 money in this field if people want to 924 00:35:14,890 --> 00:35:12,780 give me money I'll take it but my point 925 00:35:18,170 --> 00:35:14,900 is that I don't have a pony in this race 926 00:35:19,849 --> 00:35:18,180 I don't have the magical UFO answers and 927 00:35:21,950 --> 00:35:19,859 neither does anybody else 928 00:35:24,650 --> 00:35:21,960 and that's my whole purpose with this 929 00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:24,660 podcast to share my experiences with you 930 00:35:28,490 --> 00:35:26,040 and help you cut through the 931 00:35:30,410 --> 00:35:28,500 never-ending [\h__\h] con men and false 932 00:35:33,230 --> 00:35:30,420 prophets that make this exciting field 933 00:35:35,690 --> 00:35:33,240 of UFO research so much more problematic 934 00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:35,700 complicated and uninviting than it 935 00:35:39,890 --> 00:35:37,980 should be but that my friends is our 936 00:35:43,069 --> 00:35:39,900 brief look at the notion of UFO 937 00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:43,079 whistleblowers as UFO Gatekeepers I hope 938 00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:44,820 you learned something I'm glad we could 939 00:35:48,170 --> 00:35:46,800 walk through that together and hey if 940 00:35:49,550 --> 00:35:48,180 there's a case or topic you'd like to 941 00:35:52,010 --> 00:35:49,560 have featured or addressed on a future 942 00:35:54,349 --> 00:35:52,020 episode a general comment or anything 943 00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:54,359 else I'd love to hear it I'm easy to 944 00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:55,920 reach you can always contact me on 945 00:36:00,010 --> 00:35:58,560 Twitter at acentric or shoot me an email 946 00:36:02,690 --> 00:36:00,020 at Jason 947 00:36:04,609 --> 00:36:02,700 rogueplanet.tv I'm Jason MccLellan 948 00:36:06,170 --> 00:36:04,619 thanks for hanging out today join me 949 00:36:08,450 --> 00:36:06,180 again next time as we try to figure out 950 00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:08,460 together what the [\h__\h] is up with these 951 00:36:17,150 --> 00:36:09,040 UFOs